Probing Error in Mill-Turn

[lassestu]

Hi

I recently installed the Mill-Turn package and set up the machine correctly. I have already got it to turn some parts using the Touch Y and X offsets, and it worked as it should.

Now that I have milled a large turning tool holder I want to set up more tools, with the tool block offsets.

But when I tried to probe, I got this strange error.

Also, when I add the height of the Probe Tool I got an error saying that one or more probe / lathe tools is not zero.

See attached photo

[DaveCVI]

Hi, ]
Uh Oh, that generally means that a script has faulted - which can be an internal MSM unexpected error or the the result of the user forcing a script to be stopped.

To check this out, I need some more information:
1) did you happen to hit the escape key to abort an operation?
2) what version of MSM are you running?
3) mach version?
4) win version?
5) what operation were you trying to do when this happened?
6) is this behavior repeatable (i.e. does it happen every time you try the operation)?
Dave

[lassestu]

Hi, ]
Uh Oh, that generally means that a script has faulted - which can be an internal MSM unexpected error or the the result of the user forcing a script to be stopped.

To check this out, I need some more information:
1) did you happen to hit the escape key to abort an operation?
2) what version of MSM are you running?
3) mach version?
4) win version?
5) what operation were you trying to do when this happened?
6) is this behavior repeatable (i.e. does it happen every time you try the operation)?
Dave

Hi,

To answer in order to related questions:

1. Nope, it happened as soon as the Touch Probe found a surface. If it didn't touch while hitting the max Z or XY limits it reported back as the manual states (no surface found).
2. The latest production release, professional 2.0.12? Installed with the Full Install option (not the Draw source files).
3. The one recommended for Mill-Turn, think it ends with .66, downloaded from your website.
4. Windows 7 Ultimate, regional settings set to US (Im from Norway)
5. Touch Z- Surface (probing height for the tool)
6. This is were it gets strange, only Z,X,Y only operations causes this behaviour. But probing edges works, probing Y+ within the Mill-Turn Center probe screen works and everything else there.

New problems i discovered after I found out about the probing:
With Master Tool set to 1.

I set the Tool BLK Offset to the lower left corner.
Then I probed 3 offsets for tools, tools 2-4 = Center drills. I probed them and they worked as they should when I "changed tool". The XY offsets are what I probed.

I then began to setup Turning tools. Using touch probe Y+.
It detected the surface and I tought that this was right. But when I changed to the turning tools, the Y offset seems to be more than it should (about 30mm), and in the wrong Y direction.
When I use Touch Y or Probe Y only the tool offset gets changed, which is logical, but the WC is not changed.

For finding a solution I tried to setup the Master Tool (1):
Touched Y and X and Z and that is working fine as it should.
I Then tried to probe/touch another non-master tool, but the Y offset is still the same relative to the master tool. The Y offsets is already offset by about 30mm.
The Y fixed offset is set to 0

I read another post that someone edited the Macro to get the offsets right, but I don't have the knowledge to do that

My mill is a Tormach PCNC1100,

XY axis is setup to right handed co-system, in other words, exactly the same as you're videos demonstrated, and also the tip you gave about the thumb and fingers to find it out.


X+ is going to the right
Y+ is moving the workpiece further away from me while facing the table

[DaveCVI]

Hi,

Hi, ]
Uh Oh, that generally means that a script has faulted - which can be an internal MSM unexpected error or the the result of the user forcing a script to be stopped.

To check this out, I need some more information:
1) did you happen to hit the escape key to abort an operation?
2) what version of MSM are you running?
3) mach version?
4) win version?
5) what operation were you trying to do when this happened?
6) is this behavior repeatable (i.e. does it happen every time you try the operation)?
Dave

Hi,

To answer in order to related questions:

1. Nope, it happened as soon as the Touch Probe found a surface. If it didn't touch while hitting the max Z or XY limits it reported back as the manual states (no surface found).
2. The latest production release, professional 2.0.12? Installed with the Full Install option (not the Draw source files).
3. The one recommended for Mill-Turn, think it ends with .66, downloaded from your website.
4. Windows 7 Ultimate, regional settings set to US (Im from Norway)
5. Touch Z- Surface (probing height for the tool)
6. This is were it gets strange, only Z,X,Y only operations causes this behaviour. But probing edges works, probing Y+ within the Mill-Turn Center probe screen works and everything else there.

OK, the good news is that is sounds as if the problem can be consistently reproduced. I will email you some instructions re how to get a debug log life of the failing operation. From that I can see the details of what happened.

New problems i discovered after I found out about the probing:
With Master Tool set to 1.

I set the Tool BLK Offset to the lower left corner.
Then I probed 3 offsets for tools, tools 2-4 = Center drills. I probed them and they worked as they should when I "changed tool". The XY offsets are what I probed.

I then began to setup Turning tools. Using touch probe Y+.
It detected the surface and I tought that this was right. But when I changed to the turning tools, the Y offset seems to be more than it should (about 30mm), and in the wrong Y direction.
When I use Touch Y or Probe Y only the tool offset gets changed, which is logical, but the WC is not changed.

For finding a solution I tried to setup the Master Tool (1):
Touched Y and X and Z and that is working fine as it should.
I Then tried to probe/touch another non-master tool, but the Y offset is still the same relative to the master tool. The Y offsets is already offset by about 30mm.
The Y fixed offset is set to 0

I read another post that someone edited the Macro to get the offsets right, but I don't have the knowledge to do that

My mill is a Tormach PCNC1100,

XY axis is setup to right handed co-system, in other words, exactly the same as you're videos demonstrated, and also the tip you gave about the thumb and fingers to find it out.


X+ is going to the right
Y+ is moving the workpiece further away from me while facing the table

OK, for the moment, let me note the above as open topics. I'd like to find the script falure problem first (as the others could be down stream artifacts of the base issue).

Dave

[lassestu]

Hi Dave,

Sorry for the late replies, I been out of town working for some time now.

I will report back as you stated in the email when I have time

I will be back in town in about a week!